There are several reasons why I have this blog. The first and foremost is to keep a record of the things of my life. The second is to give me an outlet for writing. The third is, in some way, to help others who struggle with the same things as me; they can read how it went for us and what helped, and maybe there will be things that will help them too, though I do not necessarily think that that will be true for everyone.
One of the things that happens when you or your partner is depressed is that everyone starts sending you messages. Some are helpful, some are unhelpful. The unhelpful ones usually contain unwanted advice. I got an unhelpful one this morning from someone I don't even know but who presumes to know me:
Karen,
I was at your wedding but you won't remember me.
Ben is desperately ill. I know, as I have been there and done that. He needs medical and psychological help and you both need to stop trying to live up to a hypothetical standard.
There is no way that you and he should even try to go to Moore College, and I don't understand what you are trying to achieve, by attempting to do so. All it will do is put more pressure on both of you to “perform”.
And for what?
You and he should just concentrate on getting your selves in order. God might be good but there is no way you can help anyone else until you work through your own problems.
Believe me ...
First of all, it's nice to know this lady cares in her own befuddled way. She's right; I don't remember her from our wedding. She was probably one of 250 guests. I don't even think I've seen her since, which gives you some indication of what kind of relationship that exists between me and her: basically zilch. So it kind of gets my back up when someone I don't really know is telling me what to do, no matter how good her intentions or how sound her advice. Because her intentions will misfire and her advice isn't sound if she doesn't understand us and our current situation.
I think that's pretty clear from the rest of the message. “Ben is desperately ill.” Well, duh, I already know that. How can I not know that? I live with him 24/7! I know more about him being ill than she does—than anyone else does. I'm the one who spends the most time with him and the one who knows him the best. I don't need to be told how sick he is.
“He needs medical and psychological help and you both need to stop trying to live up to a hypothetical standard.”: What kind of “hypothetical standard” is she talking about? The pressure to be successful in ministry? The so-called MTS-norm whereby trainees run through the mill of two years training and four years of college? God's rules by which we live our lives, trying to bring him glory? Her “hypothetical standard” seems merely hypothetical.
“There is no way that you and he should even try to go to Moore College, and I don't understand what you are trying to achieve, by attempting to do so.” I feel I should say something first about why we chose Moore College. We are not like mindless sheep following the hordes, wanting to go to Moore College because everyone else is or because the Jensens told us to. Contrary to popular belief, we don't accept everything the Jensens say without questions; we are intelligent thinking people. For a number of years Ben didn't even want to go to Moore College—he was considering other places like Sydney Missionary Bible College (SMBC) and I forget where else. But over time Ben changed his mind. Moore is more academically-focused, compared with SMBC which seems to be more practical-focused. Ben is more of theorist so Moore really suits him better.
Secondly, college will be easier than MTS—for us, anyway. MTS involves lots of people work which is stressful, emotionally draining and often difficult. Other people thrive on that sort of stuff; we don't. College will involve a lot of hard work, memorisation, pulling together arguments, agonising over the intricacies of Greek grammar, stressing about exams and assignments—I realise that—but we will not be at college to do ministry to people; we will be at college to learn.
Thirdly, the thing that we are trying to “achieve” by going to college is to deepen our knowledge of the Bible, the history of Christianity and the philosophies of this world. We could do that at home but it is easier to be motivated to do it when you're with others who are doing it, being taught by people who really know their stuff. Obtaining a better understanding of the truth of who God is and what his word is about is important not just for our own growth, understanding and relationship with God, but also for teaching others, in whatever capacity that involves (from one-to-one to the pulpit). I'm not saying that you need to go to Bible college to become a “super Christian”; I'm saying that that is what we hope to gain from going to Bible college.
“All it will do is put more pressure on both of you to ‘perform’”: I don't know where she got that idea from. No one in Wollongong or Sydney is pressuring us to “perform”, not even the people Ben are working for. A+'s don't get you into heaven anyway, and Ben's never been an A+ kind of student. Nor has he ever been the kind of person to kick himself for not getting A+'s.
But the part that bothers me the most out of the whole message is the last bit:
You and he should just concentrate on getting yourselves in order. God might be good but there is no way you can help anyone else until you work through your own problems.
“God might be good but”...? There is no “but” after a statement about God's goodness. God's goodness is what gets us through the day. God's goodness is what sustains us through the good and the bad. God's goodness is our hope, our joy, our comfort. How dare she trivialise God's goodness! What kind of Christian is she claiming to be? (If she's claiming to be a Christian at all.)
Okay, I might be overreacting. But the last part of that sentence isn't true either: “there is no way you can help anyone else until you work through your own problems.” She doesn't realise that people are helped and encouraged through our depression—that our weakness presents opportunities for others to be of help and to practise godliness—that our struggles to persevere hearten and strengthen others to run that good race. Last year a friend of mine said to me, “I'm always so encouraged when I read your emails. Things are so bad and yet you guys just keep on going.” Maybe this lady has some idealised view of what “help” actually entails, but one of the things that I've learnt on MTS is that we are all messed up and we will never attain some perfect position from which we will then be secure enough to “help” others. We help others from where we are, down in the depths of the mire, covered in mud, in reverent submission to our Lord who works through our frailty and weakness. Do you actually believe that people who are depressed can't share the gospel? Do you actually believe that people who are depressed can't edify the church? Do you actually believe that people who are depressed can't care for others, even if it's only in little ways, like sending a card or cooking a meal? Obviously there are people who have depression who can still do these things. They don't have to but they are physically able to. Remember Spurgeon had depression too.
If I get any more messages like this from people I don't really know, I'm going to post them up on this blog and respond to them the way Neil Gaiman responds to his fan mail. So think about that before you send me anything. Think really hard.
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I don’t think there are people who inspire me more than you and Ben.
You are real people with real problems and you wrestle with them day to day, constantly reminding yourself (and us by default) to trust our God.
Of course people with depression can serve God.
Of course people with depression can go to Moore College.
I’ve never met two people more suited to Moore College in my life.
I love you guys.
George
‘You and he should just concentrate on getting yourselves in order. God might be good but there is no way you can help anyone else until you work through your own problems.’ (quote from your post)
‘How are you able to help anyone else if you are full of hurt, rejection, guilt, and insecurity?’ (quote from Hillsong introduction pamphlet)
Ben seems to be fine to me, from the outside of the apple, I guess there’s a worm in there. Worms turn, you known.
Thanks George. I love you too!
Philip: He’s a master at hiding it.
Our God is a very God indeed!!
You and Ben are so strong in your faith it’s really encouraging to me.
You guys rock!
Yes, it’s me again.
Well done, Karen.
You answered my letter in the way I hoped you would.(except you were a bit harsh towards me, but…you are right -we all need to think hard before we say things and you seem to have written while you were still in anger mode)
You and Ben know exactly where you are heading and that is great.Your love of God and your desire to follow His plan for you is more than evident.I have a great deal of admiration for your zeal and your commitment to God and each other.
However,miscommunication can often occur when things are written down, not spoken, and to me most of the things you have now said were not clear from your “blog” Your explanation I’m sure will be very helpful to anyone reading what you say and has also brought you lots of support from your friends.
So, don’t be angry…in life’s journey you will meet much more criticism and questioning than my supposedly “unhelpful” comments. Learning to deal with them in a loving and caring way is part of becoming an emotionally mature person.
I too, have suffered from a mental illness. I had to turn my life around and thanks to prayer and the support of my family, friends and the medical profession,I have made a complete recovery.I can also now appreciate how hard it is for partners, family, carers and friends etc to stand by and watch someone they love going through torment. Don’t be too hard on people like Ben’s mother -not a good idea to mention her, as you did- I think that is probably what prompted me to write. Does she read your “blog” ? I must admit, I felt offended, for her.
I now understand why you are writing a “blog” and have a much greater understanding of your point of view.
However, you must realise that you leave yourself open to comment, by making your personal life so public.
I apologize for upsetting you.
Hopefully you will forgive me and see the positive good that has come out of my negativity and will not discourage advice/ criticism, but turn it round to your(and others)advantage.
All I can say Karen is “hold on, hold on, hold on”. That sounds agonizing- your love for Ben is extraordinary too.
I guess in the stillness and darkness Ben must be questioning his faith. Maybe I’m off the mark there, but I know I went through that. I feel for you guys so much. I am praying for you.
Regarding Moore College, it seems to me a far better environment for you than MTS. MTS (from my observation) is pretty gruelling work. You guys need to decide what you can handle and do that.
The road will turn golden again.
karen, you don’t know me and i only know you from reading your blog (it is very encouraging btw) so i’m not going to offer any advice or anything like that… but what you said about God being good in your last post reminded me of something cool I found out today. I have a friend who suffers from depression and who is having lots of trouble with doubts, but (thanfully) she is trusting in God’s goodness.
I heard today that God dropped right into her lap a wonderful opportunity to share the gospel - a friend at her work out of the blue asked her to explain “this christianity thing” to her, and then accepted and understood everything she said with delight and relief. The point of the story is that my friend, who was struggling so much herself was so encouraged by God’s goodness in just giving her this opportunity on a plate even though she felt she was no use to Him. Like you said, God really is good, and he works through us, even in our weakness.
I hope it doesn’t freak you out getting comments from strangers… but I am a normal girl in tasmania who found your blog through gracenotworks (which i found through a friend who was given a flyer for it at a club 5 in sydeny a few years ago) I found your blog really encouraging, and so kept reading (I hope you don’t mind!) It has encouraged me to think about how I can better express my christianity in my blog too.
regards,
Bron.
ps - in a few years my husband and I will hopefully be coming to moore too, so you never know - maybe you will know me one day
Thanks Bronwyn! I hope I meet you one day too!
I must clarify: I don’t mind if strangers read my blog. But I don’t like strangers telling me what I should do with my life when they don’t really have much of an idea of what goes on my life. This blog can give people the illusion that they know me well but it’s not so.
It’s always an encouragement reading your blog Karen, always. My prayers are with you both, it must be so tough.