The “college experience” (by which I mean the experience of going to Moore College, or having your husband go there) is different for everyone. I have to keep remembering that. It's been two years since I left college and I am no longer as involved as I was with college activities. I don't spend every day there like Ben does. I no longer hang out with the people he used to hang out with—or even, for that matter, the people I used to hang out. When I did the Bible & Missions degree, there was about 100 of us, and 30-35% were women. Of the women, 20-25% were married. By the end of the first year, 90% of the wives I studied with were pregnant. That figure climbed to about 98% in the second year. Now I think I'm one of two or three of the “Class of 2005” (if you can call it that!) who hasn't started having kids yet.
This makes being social at college events a little odd for me because I'm now in the minority. I was thinking about this a couple of weeks ago when I went to the Moore Women end-of-year dinner. (Moore Women is the women's group at college, and events and activities are organised by Moya, the principal's wife, other faculty wives and a committee of college women—wives and singles. They also produce a quarterly magazine called Magnolia which has interviews with college wives, reviews, interviews with past students, articles about various things relating to college life, classifieds, recipes and the occasional crossword puzzle. This year they serialised “Bridget James's Diary” but the racy bits were edited out. Back to my train of thought:) I was thinking about this a couple of weeks ago when I went to the end-of-year Moore Women dinner. I was thinking, “I know how to get along with girls. I went to an all-girls high school; how hard can it be?” But then I realised that when you're younger—like when you're in high school and at Uni—everyone is the same as you: you're all single, you're all in Year 10/11/12, etc., you're all going through the same things together: periods, boys, getting your license, applying for Uni, sitting the HSC, etc. Then at Uni you're going to lectures, attending tutorials, struggling with exams and working a part-time job to pay the rent. Most of you are dirt poor (by middle class standards) so nobody cares if the apartment you're living in filled with secondhand furniture and your crockery doesn't match.
But then you're supposed to grow up, get a job and be responsible. You might even get married, and pick out the crockery you'll use for the next 20 years and put it on your wedding registry. You replace the old secondhand furniture with nice stuff that doesn't look so shabby, and give the old stuff to your Uni student friends. You purchase property and start talking about how to cultivate nice lawns, and when you and your husband might start having kids. At 29, there isn't really any common experience, and so I find girls my age are single, getting married, married without kids, married with kids, working, not working, studying for a PhD, buying their first house, establishing their business, publishing their first novel (okay, maybe that only applies to Jess) and doing their own version of conquering the world.
This makes conversation hard, once you get past the small talk. I noticed this at the dinner (and I'm not too bad at small talk—not after so many years of attending Christian conferences and meeting new people in different contexts!). There seemed to be such a gulf between their experience and mine, it was like we couldn't quite meet. I asked them about what it's like to be a mum for the first time (or second time), how their husband was finding college, how they were finding their experience of their husband studying in third year, what they were going to do next year, etc., but they couldn't quite access my experience of working full-time and being the breadwinner while Ben studies. Maybe they had forgotten what that's like. Or maybe they knew all there was to know about it (maybe they read this blog!) Most of the girls I was sitting with knew where I work but not really what I do (saying “editing” doesn't help much; I usually have to explain a bit further). Or maybe they were too tired from chasing kids around all day (and I totally understand that!) Or maybe, as my counsellor suggests, they found me intimidating. (Apparently I'm intimidating. Who knew?) I just found it interesting how the conversation quickly shifted to the topic of kids—a “safe” topic because it's not personal (but it sort of is) but external.
And that revealed something interesting about the way women interact which James Dobson picks up on when he talks about the third and fourth most common sources of depression in women (loneliness, isolation and boredom), citing reasons why housewives in particular seal themselves off from meaningful friendships and associations outside the home:
Though avant garde feminists may chew me to pieces for saying so, it is my observation that women can be absolutely vicious with each other. Having supervised female employees throughout the years, I have stood in amazement as they scratched and clawed one another over the most minor conflicts. one explosion of monumental consequence began with a disagreement among four secretaries about which deodorant was most effective. Can you imagine four red-faced women screaming at each other over whether to spray it or roll it on?! (The ‘real’ conflict, of course, involved resentment having nothing to do with deodorant.) I have employed two or three particularly talented antagonists who could stir up more trouble in an afternoon than I could untangle in a week. But this same competitiveness and suspicion is also represented among housewives, I believe. There are many women who simply can't stand other women. There are other less aggressive individuals who are greatly threatened by their female associates. Such a woman wouldn't think of inviting ‘the girls’ over for tea unless she had spit-shined her house inside and out, and prepared a super-delicious cake. And those who have nicer homes will never be invited to the cottages of women who are embarrassed by their humble dwellings. And those whose husbands have professional, higher-paying jobs are often deeply resented by those who must struggle to pay the household bills each month. In summary, women are often pitted against the very people whom they need for mutual respect and acceptance. The result is loneliness and boredom. (James Dobson, Man to Man About Women, Tyndale House, Wheaton, 1975, pp. 58-59.)
It seems to me that, in conversation, women deliberately avoid the areas where they know they could be attacked, criticised or compared unfavourably with someone else. It's self-defence—a coping mechanism. So there are these walls that go up. They might be ‘real’ with one or two people who are close friends, but generally if they don't know another woman very well, they will maintain those walls and then, perhaps, gradually let them down as the relationship progresses and they learn to trust the other woman.
Why am I blogging about this? It's because I don't think I relate like your typical woman (well, Moore Women woman). (Probably not surprising; I spend my days working around middle-aged men.) I'm not free from those sort of anxieties that Dobson talks about, and I do care, to some extent, what other people think of me. I just don't think I have the same sort of walls. In a group situation, I'm aware of those walls but I usually distance myself from the whole emotional political situation and become more of an observer (isn't that what writers do?) I don't play the roles of trying to suck up to the popular girl or pick on the undesirable. I don't openly rebel against the status quo but I don't exactly toe the line of the queen bee either.
But I need to remember that other women do—that other women are far more sensitive to what's going on socially than I am—that, when I talk to other women, I need to throw them a conversational “bone”, so to speak. Before the dinner started, I got into conversation with a fourth-year wife. But that was because I approached her (she was the only other one there in the foyer waiting around so I figured I ought to talk to her). And the more I shared about myself (particularly the fact that Ben suffers from depression so we are not your shiny they've-got-it-all-together Moore College couple), the more she was willing to open up and be honest with me. And that was refreshing.
One-to-one conversations are always easier, though. I contemplated joining a Moore Women Bible study at the beginning of the year but the thought of facing a group of women with their preconceived ideas about all sorts of stuff I couldn't imagine was pretty intimidating. I remember having some long conversations about whether or not I should join with all sorts of people. (In the end, I decided not to—not because of the fear factor but because I realised that church is going got be my community long-term. Ben's probably not going to go into people ministry post-college [which makes us really fringey in the college community where most students are off to become missionaries or pastors or both] and we'd like to stay with FEVA long-term if possible.) But I'm thinking of revisiting the question next year. It will be Ben's last year at college and my last chance to participate in some way in the college community. Hmm, what should I do? Thoughts?
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I totally get the relating to women thing! Our church has a group of women who are all young mums. When I tried to approach them and chat with a few of them during our church house party I got the coldest responses! That might be just a clique thing.. but somehow being a mum does change the social atmosphere.
Yes, isn’t it curious? Why does that happen? Will I turn into the same sort of thing if I become a mum?
I like to think I won’t (turn into the same thing if and when I do become a mother), but it’s amazing how it can be used within church circles to cover up feelings of insecurity.
I’m thinking particularly of a couple of women I know who were desperate to have children, and now that they have them:
- talk about nothing else
- complain about how hard it all is
- use their children as an excuse to get out of all sorts of things
- condescend to me because I don’t have children and yet also resent me because I don’t have children
- expect me to do a lot more than them because I don’t have children and do the whole “well, it’s not like you have a husband and kids to look after” thing (never stated quite so baldly, but always implied)
This is not all the young mothers I know, mind you, just a couple of them. And it drives me nuts.
I think being in a college community with all the latent competitiveness, etc, would amplify that a million-fold. In fact, it’s a pretty big turn-off for college for me (not that I’ve thought about it all that seriously) but it’s one of the negative factors for me, being a single woman in a place where the majority of the other women are married, many with children. I don’t begrudge them that, I just know it would make me feel insecure a lot, when currently I don’t actually feel insecure about it most of the time.
That’s interesting… I don’t think I ever thought of it an an insecure thing. Makes sense though, it would be an easy thing to hide behind.
Another possibility is that they have no life outside of kids. Kids are the be all and end all of thier existance. That would make it hard to relate to anything else.
I hope won’t be like that - but I know that I should watch out for it. Sounds like it’s something that alot of people slip into.
I can’t help feeling a little compelled to reassure the world that not all the women at Moore at vicious, threatened, insular or socially inferior ...
I’m getting married in a few months and I’m really hoping I don’t slip into a young married couples’ clique in the sense that I can no longer relate to my single friends. I feel it’s going to be important to have other married women as friends so we can encourage each other along but I think it’s beautiful when different demographics at church interact and we experience unity in the gospel.
I can relate to the sharing yourself with others bit, that it helps them open up too. Sometimes it just takes one person to be the brave one but I get frustrated when it seems like I always have to be the one. Yet, sometimes sharing with others can bring them great comfort so it’s worth it
There’s something slightly unusual about the grammer of this sentence which elicits in me, a sense of indifference “In the end, I decided not to—not because of the fear factor but because I realised that church is going got be my community long-term.”.
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I have wondered what causes this trend to have babies while studying at Moore. For a while I suspected that the lecturers were advising everyone against the evils of birth control…
But if I were married to a minister, and didn’t have to worry about paying rent/morgage, because a church would provide me with a place to live, and enough money to live on… perhaps I would have children too.
You’re right, Alison, not all women at Moore are “vicious, threatened, insular or socially inferior”, nor did I think I implied they were. I hope no one came away from my post thinking that!
Karen, I loved this piece. There were many things in it that resonated for me. I think you could springboard another set of entries off it on conflict between women, how women deal with conflict amongst themselves.
I have so little direct experience with young children I sometimes think I have lost a common frame of reference with friends of mine who have had babies. I ask a lot of odd questions, but I guess they are used to that! Perhaps the difference in frame of reference comes out especially when striking up a friendship from scratch and you don’t feel as free to risk saying something odd. I remember one BBQ where my husband’s colleague’s wives started discussing something called “Luffy land”...it took me some minutes of listening to work out they were talking about a toy:).
Hmm, it’s an interesting post. I can’t say I really know what you’re talking about though…
I think my friends with children are great… because they don’t just talk to me about children, but they do talk to me about children…
Oh, and sometimes I feel a great deal of pity for them, and a great deal of contentment for me, that I’m not them. That I’m not dealing with that screamy/poopy/disobedient/annoying/obnoxious/selfish little human.
But then again, I’m not a baby person. I like them when they can talk, and I can talk back.